The .308 cartridge has an overall length of 2.8 inches with a base diameter of 0.47 inches. The end of this Season 270 vs 308. By using this site, you agree to the following: Privacy Policy Please share it with your friends on Facebook and Twitter. I think the .270 is loaded to higher cpu pressure so it seems to have a louder blast and slightly higher recoil, … We should start off by saying that it is pretty difficult to compare two different calibers side by side. So test the rifle, if its too much recoil, have a muzzle brake put on it. This is a hard question. whose where a lot better pleasant to shoot with a better desing. Very helpful info, I have a tikka 65 and Brno 308 and have been deciding which to sell. The cheapest 3006 delivers more energy than the Best 308 For exa… That is to say,.270 Winchester bullets travel 3.5 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while.30-30 Winchester bullets travel 2.7 times that same speed. Thread starter shot_out; Start date Nov 6, 2016; 1; 2; Next. It has a higher velocity and flatter trajectory making it a little easier to adjust for shots at long range as evidenced by the bullet drop numbers in the long trajectory section. That is a rather comical typo! They are probably pretty close on recoil charts but the above make all the difference IMHO. And regardless of your choice, a good shot with either caliber is going to end in a successful hunt! Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. Both calibers can take down a deer. It really does shoot flatter and longer than a 308 I have killed a lot of deer and all has been with a 270, Have to agree with you both I have hunted all my life with 270 and have made some awesome shots with it. Next, we will look at the muzzle velocity (feet/second) and velocity at certain yard intervals commonly encountered when hunting. The length measurement fluctuates based on bullet’s design. Plus they came in the all time famous and intelligent mauser desing rifle. This results in 1-2 ft-lbs less free recoil in rifles of equal weight and stock design. All things being as equal as possible the 308 is probably lighter in recoil. I got my 11 year old the CVA 308 and he loves it. All Rights Reserved. Despite the replacement in the military, the 7.62 x 51 cartridge had excellent performance specs and was quickly picked up by ammunition manufacturers. We could honestly take any two calibers common to hunting and find hunters who will debate which of the two are the best cartridge until the day they die with neither party being swayed. Lots of overlap depending. I have 2 270 Win rifles and 2 308 rifles. The modern day .270 cartridge is usually around 3.3 inches long. Here are some of the more popular cartridges for the .270. Went to ableammo.com and checked a few different models in .270 vs .308 and there was no difference in listed weight. It can be measured or computed empirically and has been for this recoil table. They know what they like and what works well for them. 1 of 2 Go to page. Affiliate Disclosure With a little practice on the range, any shooter can become accustomed to the kick. Here are some numbers to consider. Winchester Improved the 3006 by Producing the 270. Due to some issues with the amount of ammo that could be carried and the M14’s unwieldiness, it was shortly replaced by the M16 with 5.56 x 45 cartridges. When going after bigger game with shots within 250 yards, the .308 is a fantastic choice. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Recoil from a lighter .308 rifle will be a lot snappier than your slug gun, but not enough to make up for the difference in ft/lbs of recoil. For this reason, it is considered a short action caliber. That takes nothing away from the rifle manufacturers or the guns in general, but the real power in the .270 Winchester is that it is a traditionalist’s cartridge. But, from this ballistic data, you have two calibers that behave very similar to one another. I'm not fond of the 25-06 either for the same reason. ​, Want to expand your knowledge on ammunition even more? My mind is now made up as I will sell the Brno 308. While the .308 produces slightly more recoil energy (21.7ft.lb compared to 19.6ft.lb), it probably isn’t anything significant, especially to more experienced shooters. The .270 was produced by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company in 1925. Nov 6, 2016 #1 Looking to make the cross from duck shooting to mammal hunting. I do not hunt any longer and shoot mostly mil surp ammo at the range. First, we will take a look at the bullet drop rates for each caliber that have been zeroed in at 100 yards and then at 250 yards to get some short and long-range trajectory information. Just seems to kick more than it should. Here is a comparison of it to the .308. This site is owned and operated by Trek Warrior in McKinney, Texas. To reiterate, we are only looking at Remington’s Core-Lokt ammunition. I had a .270 in a Rem 700 adl with a checkered aluminum butt plate that hurt my shoulder and left a bruise on my cheek bone after just a few shots. What exactly are the differences between the two cartridges and how do you choose between the two for hunting? Finally, we will compare the energy (Feet/Pound) of the bullets at several yard intervals. Many thanks for the great info, i’ll Now have 3 calibers with the 3 tikka’s that will suit my needs and if I get to the Northern Territory to hunt buffalo i’ll Buy a 9.3 x 62 Check out my articles on ACP as well as rimfire to learn more.​. You want to see an animal drop right now? Some might consider the .270 130 grain a bit too light for elk or moose, especially if you are taking shots over 400 yards. We are heading out for him to try to git his first buck. Recoil pads make a big difference. I had a rather light Savage 110 .308 with an aluminum buttplate and it kicked worse than my .270's. Most important is the fact that we are providing a method that you can use with any caliber that interests you. She only shot it once a year with heavy hunting clothes on and it never bothered her. To answer these questions, we are going to take a look at the origins of these calibers, briefly explain the various loads available, compare ballistics, and compare situations where each caliber might be more beneficial. I had a Remington Model Seven in 308 with a Limbsaver pad on it that was more comfortable to shoot in a t-shirt than a M94 in 30/30. Perceived recoil, or what the shooter feels, is purely subjective. feels like it has milder recoil than a 308 Win. This when I had both in Rem 700s. So, we are going to try to standardize this as much as possible by only looking at the properties of the .270 and .308 produced by the same ammunitions manufacturer. Granted, recoil energy is highly relative; recoil force depends on grain weight and muzzle velocity as well as the weight of the rifle. However, time saw both these long-standing cartridges in the same arena and with a huge respective loyal user base. Regardless, a lot of us have multiple rifles or maybe we are shopping around for a new hunting rifle. Here are some of the more popular cartridges for the .308. Its only advantages in my book are ammo availability which again doesn't really bother me as I can get quality 270 right next to 308 at any outdoor store or even Walmart. A debate that comes up often is which one is better when comparing the 270 vs 308. It depends on the individual load and rifle. What was the main appeal of the 7mm at the time? Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 20 of 21 Posts. What we hope, is that by providing you with some background and numbers, you can look at your hunting situation and make an educated decision on which particular caliber will suit your hunting needs better. My vote is the .270 Win. What would be the point though? Quite a few cartridges are produced with varying grain bullets, bullet material, shape, and powder loads. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. This will tell us is how hard the bullet is impacting the target. .270 WSM vs .308 or .300WMS. Regardless, neither caliber will fly out of your hands. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." The chart you posted has the .270 with a recoil factor of 162.6 The .308 with a recoil factor of 35.2 And the 30-06 with a recoil factor of 60.1 So, if the chart is correct, the .270 would have significantly more recoil. Why would anyone want a 308? A .260 shooting a 140grn bullet with a .520 bc @ 2600 fps witha 200 yard 0 in a 10mph wind. bullets to shoot through it. It has a long history of being the best and the rifles that shoot it are spectacular, in general. May be. Enjoy this article about the 6.5 Creedmoor vs 308 Winchester debate? .270 Winchester VS .308 Winchester. No part of this publication may be sold, copied, distributed, reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, mechanical or digital, including photocopying and recording, or by any information storage and retrieval system, without permission in writing from Trek Warrior. Shoot him in the ear hole. I've got my grandpa's old 30-06 that weighs a ton and still hits me hard enough that it's no fun for me to shoot. Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. 25-06 vs 6.5 Creedmoor vs 270 Winchester: The Results Might Surprise You. While the debates are always between 30-06 and 270, we forget than prior these cartridges we had 8mm mauser and it’s neck down 7mm. Basically, Remington intended the caliber to be able to provide lesser recoil than a .308 while still being large and powerful enough to kill wild North American game effectively at long distances. Also, the effects of recoil are cumulative. The… According to this they're so close you wouldn't know the difference : I have to go with stock design/fit/recoil pad. If you are going to need a little more distance, the .270 holds the advantage over the .308 caliber. The .270 maintains a flatter trajectory over longer distances while the .308 can pack a punch within shorter ranges. I've always had a soft spot for the 270, kills well and doesn't recoil much, but once I sort of looked the chronograph data I've collected on both the 270 and the 7mm-08 over the past few years, something became clear to me: the 7-08 basically equals the 270 in velocity and energy if you are using the typical 22" 270 factory barrel. Recoil energy for 270 WSM in an 8 pound rifle is 19 lbs, much less load variability. Am I narrow minded? By the numbers, according to the Chuck Hawks recoil table, an 8-lb. Reply. If you hunt for fun primary, choice a mild rifle you enjoy shooting and select the animal and the distance accordingly. I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. We will refer to the ballistics information. Just look for high B.C. Our calibers from .257-inch up to .338-inch have served us well for decades, but the .277-inch, 7mm, and .308-inch calibers have gotten the lion’s share of work from deer hunters. Let's compare two top quality deer hunting loads. Regards, Karl, Depend if you hunt for food or fun. The .308 commonly has a 150 to 180 grain range. I used to own a gun shop and would mount scopes and sight in rifle at my range behind the shop. Before we jump into this, it is extremely important to remember that these values can change from manufacturer to manufacturer and according to the various cartridge types. My vote is the .270 Win. Felt as impact on our shoulder when we shoot, the amount of recoil generated by any rifle load depends on several factors, including the weight and design of the rifle. © 2020 by Trek Warrior. IMO they are all pussycats, the most mild mannered being the Sako primarily because it weighs the most. feels like it has milder recoil than a 308 Win. The longer you shoot, and the harder the rifle kicks, the more likely you are to flinch. I own my father’s 22 hornet brno and I shot extensively calibers from .22 lr to .458 winchester, but a 170 grains round bullet in 30-30 and .220 grain in 30-06 are a kind I like to shoot. Beware, you are in danger to pursuit an all around women and you would probably expire before to find her. Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%. Best 22 Pistols: Top 5 Handguns For The Range, https://press.hornady.com/assets/pcthumbs/tmp/1410994454-2017-Standard-Ballistics-Chart.pdf, Remington Core-Lokt (Available in 150 and 180 grain), Winchester Super-X Power Point ( Available in 150 and 180 grain), Nosler Ballistic Tip (Available in 125 and 165 grain), Black Hills (Available in 168 and 175 grain), Federal Premium (Available in 168 and 175 grain), Remington Core-Lokt (Available in 130 and 150 grain), Winchester Super-X Power Point ( Available in 130 and 150 grain), Federal Premium (Available in 130 and 140 grain). Remington’s parent case is actually .308 Winchester and its closely related .260 Remington is also based on a 308 cartridge. The .270 will have slightly less recoil than the .30-06 or .308, but the difference is not real noticeable. In wind deflection, recoil, cycling speed, and potentially compact rifle size (short action,) the Creedmoor comes out on top.If you own an accurate, beloved 270 Winchester, you don't need to replace it with a 6.5 Creedmoor. LOL. Perhaps auto spell correct took over… It was devised by necking down the .308 Winchester caliber’s neck, in order for the overall bullet to have a smaller diameter. We are not advocating for one or the other, but wanted to provide the specs and discuss the differences between the two. In 270 a Tikka Lite and a Rem 700, 308 a Rem 700 and a Sako Finnwolf. I ended up getting a Past shoulder pad to sight it in. Now concerning recoil, you should be aware of the bullet size and the amount of powder in the cartridge. More ammunition manufacturers produce the 308 vs 270 in America. With .308 and the .30-06, you have access to military surplus ammo. Most people attest that .270 vs .30-06 favors the lighter round. This is especially true for the .308 vs .270. To me recoil is not a problem but muzzle blast is . Both of these calibers are going to have the stopping power to bring down just about any game you are hunting in North America besides maybe larger bears. However, the .308 180 grain is a heavy bullet with a high muzzle velocity so you will feel it as well. With proper shooting technique and scope placement, you should never have to worry about scope eye with either cartridge. This round is a great combination between a flat trajectory and moderate recoil. We are going to look at Remington’s Core-Lokt .270 and .308 pointed soft point cartridges for comparison. yup. TrekWarrior.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. If you dive into the historical developments of the 6.5 Creedmoor round vs the 7mm-08, you will notice how the cartridges are somehow related to .308 Winchester. You might want fix it, since I’m quite sure you are talking about “advocating” rather than stepping down from your throne. rifle in .270 generates 16.5 ft-lbs of recoil with a 130-grain load at 3,140 fps. It is a much longer cartridge than the .308. Let’s take a look at what makes them tick. Earnings Disclaimer I no longer have a .308 so my memory is not very fresh, mine was a Ruger ultra light with a pencil thin barel and the recoil was rather sharp for a short round, and my brothers Savage M99 .308 kicks! Recoil energy for 308 in an 8 pound rifle is 16-17lbs depending on load. You probably won't notice the difference. That means 30-30 class for the lighter and 30-06 class for heavier bullets. I also prefer iron and peep sight. Recoil (sometimes called “kick”) is the rearward movement of the firearm when fired. The .270 is prone to having a much sharper kick than the .308. This stuff is great for plinking and it won't cost you an arm and a leg. 1; 2 ... You can generally have a nice muzzle brake put on a rifle for about $150, and this should put the recoil to about .308 or maybe less. We will compare several ballistic properties such as bullet drop, muzzle velocity, and energy (what is the force hitting your target). Regardless, neither caliber will fly out of your hands. Like someone said, you're burning quite a bit more powder in the 270. If economical ammo is of importance, then forget about the .270. Shoot him in the ear hole. 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